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The Great Organic Debate

Posted on April 01, 2010 at 12:43 PM

I've never been in a debate, at least not a formal one, but in a couple of weeks I'll be in the middle of one in New York City. I'll have two others on my side, and three folks on the other side. The motion to be debated is, "Organic Food is Marketing Hype."

I'll be arguing in favor of the motion.

The website promoting the debate, intelligencesquaredus.org, is running an online poll. So far, my side is losing by more than 2 to 1, and I haven't even left home, let alone had a chance to change the minds of Manhattanites.

I could be in deep, deep, trouble.

I'm always up for a free trip, and when they interviewed me about being on the panel, I did my best to present myself as unobjectionable. I know I've got a bit of a farmer chip on my shoulder, but it was clear that they would have liked to give me an I.Q. test before extending the invitation.

Clearly my phone interview was to make sure that my grammar was passable, my voice not too country, my ability to string words together in something resembling complete sentences fairly evident.

I was in a good friends' wedding many years ago. He'd gone to law school at an Ivy league college, and most of the wedding party were graduates of one east coast institution or another. One of his friends told me I didn't sound like a farmer. What the hell does that mean?

Passing the smell test Anyway, I passed the smell test, got the invite, and now I'm going to be an Oxford debater.As the date approaches, it occurs to me that arguing against wholesomeness, naturalness, and all things green in Greenwich Village may not be such a good idea.

I hope the auditorium has a way out the back, and one of those chicken wire fences that separated the band from the crowd in the bars I used to frequent in my younger days.

How do I communicate what I really think about the idea of organic food? How do I tell folks that I really don't know why some things qualify as organic, and some do not? How the whole idea of organic strikes me as, well, sort of arbitrary?

Why do we assume natural is better than man made? Cancer is natural, baseball is not.Arsenic is natural, as is nicotine, and strychnine, but nothing like chocolate cake has ever occurred in nature.

Plants, animals and bugs all produce defenses against enemies foreign and domestic.Why do we assume that those defenses are less harmful to us than the weapons against pests developed in laboratories?

Organic food production demands its own set of environmental trade offs. Organic food takes more land than conventional farming to produce the same amount of food.Organic production takes more farmers to control pests by means mechanical and physical.

So what, you say.But what if one of those extra farmers swinging a hoe would have been better employed in a laboratory discovering the next generation of cancer drugs, or finally cracking the mystery of economically making ethanol from switch grass?

All resources have value.Believers in organic farming think the only resources that matter are the petroleum and chemicals used in conventional farming, and the only worries we have are caused by our farming methods.

Strangely enough, some problems, like bugs, weeds, floods, droughts, and disease, happen without man's intervention.Hunger is the darkest specter of all, and always closer than we expect, particularly in the parts of the world that are most likely to farm organically, although they don't call it that.

None of this strikes me as enough to win the debate. I hope my partners are better prepared.

If you have any ideas about how to convince a hostile New York audience of the rightness of your farming methods, I clearly need your help.Comment below or contact me at bhurst@iamotelephone.com before April 13th with your ideas.

And if organic farming is the marketing plan for your farm, tell me why I'm wrong. That will help me prepare, and make the debate a better illumination of both sides of the issue.However, I'm not the least bit interested in reading any more letters telling me I'm a tool of Big Ag, or a greedy subsidy sucking self interested environmental felon.

I've read hundreds of comments like that, and they've lost their charm.

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Posted by Blake Hurst on April 10 at 6:12 PM  

Thanks for your comments.  A couple of thoughts in reply.
1) Well, yes, anyone reading the history of the development of organic standards can see that it was a political process, and the results were arbitrary.  Why no genitically modified seeds or human waste?  The first would have allowed tremendous opportunities to the organic producer, and no less an authority than the NRC has proclaimed GMO's as not significantly different than traditional crop breeding.  The second has traditionally been used in food production.  The founder of the organic movement postulated what he called the "Law of Return," which, as the name implies, required that everything taken from the soil be returned.  Including human waste.   I find the idea of chamber pots a bit more distasteful than the nitrogen fertilizer I use, but we're talking "organic" here.

"Petro farmer?"  One assumes you plant, cultivate, and plow with horses?

Read my piece more carefully.  I didn't say that a given acre of organic production will necessarily yield less than the same acre in conventional production.  I said it takes more acres to produce the same amount of food.  One assumes you use legumes in rotation to provide nitrogen.  If you've found a way to grow corn every year and produce those yields, then that is quite a breakthrough, and I'd love to hear how you do it.

You still farm conventionally on some of your acres.  If you truly believe that conventional farming has caused an explosion in cancer rates, then how do you justify any conventional farming at all?  Incidentally, the overall incidence of cancer is trending down at about 1% a year.

I believe you're absolutely correct that conventional farmers are cranky, including me.  I'll take your word for it that organic farmers are always jolly.  Perhaps its our exposure to Roundup that makes us disagreeable?

 
Posted by wijo on April 7 at 8:40 PM  

The thing that would scare me most about entering a debate of any type, much less an organic vs industrial agriculture, is the possibility that the assumptions that I base my arguments on are wrong. I think Mr. Hurst has a number of things he may want to research before he goes to NY.

1. His claims that organic farming yields less than petro farming are questionable. He should consult the 30 year ongoing research on this that the rodale institute (and others) is doing. On my farm this past year, my best yields were on my organic fields (I do both petro and organic). 195 bushel organic corn, and 66 bushel organic beans are not bad in SD, and I might add beat the national industrial ag average yield.

2. Mr Hurst says: "How do I communicate what I really think about the idea of organic food? How do I tell folks that I really don't know why some things qualify as organic, and some do not? How the whole idea of organic strikes me as, well, sort of arbitrary?"  

If Mr. Hurst doesn't know how some things qualify as organic, he'll need to spend some time reading about what USDA certification is all about. Arbitrary? This is an opinion based on ignorance, not fact, and it will be obvious in a debate.

3. Mr. Hurst says "Plants, animals and bugs all produce defenses against enemies foreign and domestic.Why do we assume that those defenses are less harmful to us than the weapons against pests developed in laboratories?"

Petro farmers, who are growing the vast majority of our food today, have the burden of proving to an unhealthy public, why their drinking water is contaminated with nitrates and chemicals, why cancer incidence has skyrocketed since the "chemical farming" age, why the gulf of mexico has a dead zone, etc. This is why I'm quitting chemicals--I have difficulty answering these questions--because deep down, if I admit it, I know what I've been doing is harmful to those around me.

4. Mr Hurst seems to have a defensive attitude. Why is this? I've been a petro farmer for years and am just beginning a switch to organic methods. Through my experience in both worlds, I've seen the significant difference between petro farmers and organic farmers' attitudes. Petro farmers are always complaining about something, often times their image in society. Organic farmers have much different worries, and are generally less defensive about their livelihoods. For me, organic farming has put the fun back in farming. I don't worry about my (or my family) health, nor do I worry how the rest of society views me. I'm secure in the notion that I'm not polluting my neighbors groundwater, nor am I in an endless race against the specter of peak oil. I farm using methods that will work for centuries into the future, regardless of what oil and natural gas do.

Unfortunately for Mr. Hurst, trying to defend an agricultural system that will collapse in a post-peak oil world, is futile. Unfortunately for me, I know that most people reading this will never be convinced of this, but I'm at peace with that. 
Posted by Willie Vogt on April 1 at 3:33 PM  

I want to chime in here publicly, having been on one of those East Coast panels awhile ago on "farm subsidies" - Dennis A. is a great partner to have on your side...it'll help.

Folks go vote at that site and vote "for" the motion - the organic people are "winning" in that poll and frankly organic food isn't any healthier than conventionally raised food nutritionally or otherwise. While local might bring "fresher" food that can taste better it has nothing to do with organic practices.

Good luck Blake.

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From the FieldBlake Hurst is a no-till corn and soybean farmer in Tarkio, Mo. He was recently elected to serve as president of the Missouri Farm Bureau. Read his excellent piece on anti-farming sentiment - The Omnivore's Delusion.